Posted by: Ev. Duane Williams | May 22, 2008

Open Challenge to Trinitarians

After some soul searching I have come to the conclusion that this post was wrong headed to begin with.  This site is becoming something it was not intended to be.  I hereby withdraw my “challenge”.  The Truth of God’s Word needs no defending by the likes of someone as insignificant as I.  If you want to know what I believe, visit my Statement of Faith page above.  If you feel I am in error, pray for me.

Since it has come to my attention that most trinitarians know absolutely zilch about Oneness doctrine and build straw men to attack instead, I hereby issue an open invitation for any Trinitarian to ask me your five “gotcha” questions.  I will do my best to answer all of them in a concise manner, after which I will ask you five questions and expect the same kind of brief, to the point answers that I have given.  Only for trinitarians holding to “Sola Scriptura”.  The first person to respond will be the only one participating.  I’m no longer juggling against different debaters.  I will be doing this periodically.  If you’re up for it, click on “comments” and ask away.

 

Update:  I received three comments from someone claiming to be Apostolic who was promoting the false doctrine that Jesus was only a man and not God.  I must say that trinitarianism is MUCH closer to the Truth than this type of garbage (although those who stood directly outside, beating on the ark asking Noah to let them in, wound up just as dead as those who were many miles away).  :(   Debating with JW’s and others who deny Jesus’ divinity is pointless because it is so easy.  Trinitarians are a lot trickier to handle, I must admit.

Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Hebrews 1:8
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

 


Responses

  1. Bro. Duane, I agree with you that the Word of God needs not be defended against heretics, but Paul, Peter, and many others stood to defend the Gospel and the Doctrine.

    I hope that you will continue to defend Doctrine.

  2. Polycarp,

    I will definitely continue to defend the True Doctrine of God, but I never intended this blog to be a debate war zone. I am still at it with “Job” on Jesus Christology who now claims that Jesus Christ didn’t have a human spirit at all. He tried explaining away Colossians 2:9 with a bunch of Greek semantic backflips and I called him on it. I have yet to hear back from him. May the Lord bless and keep you.

  3. I noticed your response. It seems to me that they will still revert to Tradition. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Hope all is well.

  4. Prayerfully, IrishAnglican, Duane, and Polycarp if you guys are finished with the trinity-oneness debate, there is a guy over at Marianne’s blog who seems eager to discuss Islam and US foreign policy. Your voices of truth and prayers I’m sure would be helpful.

  5. I stumbled on this blog much by accident, but I, a Trinitarian, am enjoying it. I strongly disagree with your “Oneness” theology, but let me say that on many issues of practical Christian living, the Oneness Pentecostals I’ve known have been wonderful examples of Christianity. However, I am still convinced that the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are one God in three distinct Persons with distinct functions in the Godhead. At the Baptism of Jesus, the Father spoke, the Holy Ghost descended, and the Son was baptized. Jesus told the disciples it was “expedient” that He go away so that the “Spirit of Truth” would come. Jesus refered to times of communion with the Father.

  6. Tim,

    Your words are encouraging, as most trinitarians I’ve encountered do not believe Oneness believers to be Christians at all.

    Does there really have to be three separate persons in order for God to speak from Heaven as His Spirit descends upon His Son? Is God incapable of being in more than one place at a time? Isn’t God omnipresent?

    We don’t believe the Father is the Son. We believe the Father is IN the Son. The distinction between Father and Son is the distinction between Deity and humanity. The Father is God, the Son is man, Jesus is Both. Jesus said “the Father who dwelleth in Me, He doeth the works” Matthew says that Mary was found with child of the Holy Ghost. So who is the Father of Jesus, the Father or the Holy Spirit? Jesus said “he that hath seen me hath seen the Father”. And concerning the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, Jesus says “He dwelleth with you, and shall be IN you” He goes on to say “I will not leave you comfortless, I will come to you”. Paul describes the Holy Spirit as “the Spirit of Christ”. There are many more Scriptures like this. Can you see how these Scriptures blur the neat little lines the trinity doctrine has drawn between Father, Son, and Spirit?

    May God bless and keep you on your Christian journey.

  7. The trinity is just one man made doctrine anyway! Since there is no one verse or passage that teaches it, men have peiced together Scriptures from here and there, and used their own imperfect reasoning to deduce the doctrine. So you need a verse saying that the Father is God, one saying the Son is God, one saying the holy spirit is God, another saying there is only one God, and human ligic combines them into a trinity. This type of sillogistic reasoning seems rather like a means to reconcile a percieved problem than an expression of Biblical doctrine.

  8. Brother Duane,

    It is good to see the grace displayed by removing your ‘challenge’. That shows character and the working of the Holy Spirit in your heart.

    I am one who has known the dissention encountered between those who call themselves ‘onesness’ or ‘apostolic’ and those who call themselves ‘trinitarian’ … I’ve been both. :)

    On a personal level, I know as many ‘oneness’ folk (and perhaps more) who say that those who believe in a trinity are damned as I do trinitarians who think the same way about oneness. It’s really a sad situation.

    One lesson God made very clear to me during my journey with perhaps the largest ‘oneness’ organization was “If I call him ’son’ – you call him ‘brother’”.

    I’m in a unique place in that I understand both positions from the ‘inside’ (and I could more than adequately defend [read 'argue'] each side if I so desired … which I have no desire to do).

    Some may call me a heretic. Some may say I ‘ride the fence’. Honestly, it just doesn’t matter to me. If you love and trust in Jesus alone for salvation … guess what? You’re my brother.

    May the love of God saturate your entire being.


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